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Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 09:59:00 - [1] Originally by: Jarrab Klein Originally by: Zemeckis R Given that no ship should be better than others in its class, and the vagabond is clearly not inline, 'balance' it :) Either that, or boost the other Hacs, vaga has nano-alternative sexual preference-y going for it, the others cannot compete, they should be able to. Quoting the clueless. The Isthar does everything a vaga can except better. The Zealot with snakes can get to 10km/s. So the pathetic damage from a vaga combined with its tiny drone bay, flimsy construction and inflated price makes it overpowered....hmmm
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:07:00 - [2] Originally by: Jarrab Klein Let me put it this way, the HACs need to be balanced so that they are equally usefull, if what you say is correct, the only one left out is the Cerb, so either boost that, or nerf the rest. Speed tanking ftl. The Cerb can hit its target from 110km. Give me that range on my vaga, and you can have its speed And btw speedtanking is ftw It requires a lot more pilot input and concentration that pressing F1-f8 activate tank. You actually have to fly your ship around and keep an eye on webbers and stuff. It's great fun
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:11:00 - [3] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 10/12/2007 10:13:25 Originally by: Illyrinia zealot is not a nano ship LMAO, it has 2 mids TWO, if YOU flew one you would see, zealot is a sniper ship if anything, and YES i fly zealots and sacralige. pure lulz Sniper zealot for comedy use...and btw your killmails prove nothing. I can show you a killmail where I outdamage a carrier in a Tempest. But you know what...thats because I was shooting the target for longer
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:28:00 - [4] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 10/12/2007 10:29:44 Originally by: Illyrinia zealot wasnt built to be a nano ship, and no mids to put shield extenders on, so you have your base hp, vagas have mids for extenders, lasers have crap tracking, sacralige is a better nano ship than the zealot thanks... OK..you obviously not up on how to fit a nano zealot You don't put shield extenders on them.. http://www.cruelintentions.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2312 Nano zealots out damaging Vagas. Its a very good setup, trust me CI were well known for our speed gangs. Top speed ship is Isthar by miles. Huge dps and great range, second is vaga for versatility. Then you have the evil em dmg from zealot (note vaga struggles at em)..and the deimos..well we call that the Diemost Originally by: Illyrinia check eft they have higher dps than 300, dork... and all ships started firing at the same time, it was on a station camp, they bump targets out of docking range, and hammer away, trust me vaga has dps Wrong again...eft and EVE don't always match up. You cannot fly VAga at its optimal range. You always have to fight deep in falloff to avoid being webbed...hence its terrible dps in practice.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Illyrinia did you forget the 2 t2 heavy launchers (all the ones ive fought used these) Why would you ever put 2 launchers on a vaga...or maybe you mean the 7 high slot Vaga that doesn't exist ...you seem to be coming across a little less informed every time you post. Btw I looked up your combat record on battleclinic...and am no longer going to take any thing you say seriously now
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 10:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Illyrinia lol, that one... lmao i was with a like 200man gang that jumped into a system that was being sieged, i got 1 missile dmg msg (screen was blank LOL) and then the loss mail, 40 minutes later i finally load into my pod, im surprised they were even able to lock and shoot me I'd love to talk further about setups that are effective in combat from experience rather that what EFT tells you, but after seeing that caracal setup...I really don't want to know the reasoning behind it I'll gladly take advice from Cassady about speed set ups, pro and cons..because he actually flies the ship in COMBAT...not in a fitting tool btw Neal, 2 gyros II 2 OD II istab II and 2 poly rigs... Thats my standard lows. Makes me laugh them calling it a nano ship...when in fact..there are rarely any nanos on them
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 11:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Yorlock At one point in time the vagabond was balanced and countered well by the CURSE. NOW post NOS and Tracking disruptor nerfs is has nothing out there that can suck its little cap dry and avoid its weapon fire anymore. The counter was always the huggin and Rapier. I fly them both and can inform you that they are very effective against vagas still Hey Pluton o/ It's all good here, am doing a bit of merc work atm with the Omnor guys. Makes a nice change from roaming into 0.0 and ganking people with speed hacs. See what I did there to keep it on topic
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 12:01:00 - [8] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 10/12/2007 12:02:27 Originally by: Illyrinia but vagas hardly roam alone :( That's because the dps is so bad You need 2 Vagas just to do the job of 1 Ishtar...so why does Vaga get such bad press If they decide to nerf the Vaga for the third time and make it like a Deimos with less damage, I wont be crying, I'll find another ship...like the Ishtar for example These days I fly rapier or huginn more than Vaga...because, well speed gangs hate them, and having a rapier in your own nano gang messes with all their attempts to web you. Edit..what do you mean fleet caracal Why would you have cap rechargers on it. Not only does a caracal have no place in a fleet. IF you have to bring one...fit some tackle and some damps...at least then you might be useful..for something
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.10 18:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Sharky1116 Edited by: Sharky1116 on 10/12/2007 18:07:17 Vaga always had a counter! Bring in a BB or a Rook! now you got a useless fast flying ship... cant kill what you cant shoot and i doubt a vaga would give up speed mods to fit a ECCM Simple Solutions to Simple Problems P.S. Vaga's cant touch me/or my gangmates in my Rook that can jam out to 249km's Vaga's get jammed when you look at them funny. I remember one time being perma jammed by a 1 month old BB pilot. He completely took me out of the fight we were having in M-o. I had to ask in vent for some to kill him for me...it was very embarrassing 400mil of ship and fittings rendered useless by a 3mil cruiser and a lucky multi spec
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.11 00:55:00 - [10] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 11/12/2007 00:56:10 Originally by: Haradgrim 3 Points: 1) The Vagabond is by far and away the best HAC in the game. 2) It is not overpowered, it has a role, it does it very well. It has a great deal of utility, however it can be countered. 3) There is no three. Wrong I am specialized in vaga...and have to say Ishtar is FAR better. Crazy DPS and it doesn't have to fight in that..omg I am webbed..no I live scenario. One of these days you guys should chk to see how long a vaga can actuallly keep its MWD running and be close to target... I love the Vaga's reputation, it means fools scatter and you kill the straggler..but the best HAC is without doubt the Isthar. Guess what I am training for next Of course I am hoping I can do do gallente cruiser 5 before it gets nerfed because of silly forum whiners that have no clue...but meh, it's a race I see where you Caldari guys are coming from though, but omg..you try a level 4 mission in a tempest. You had it so good in pve, you expect the same ease in pvp. Minmatar is good at 2 things, SPEED and WEBS...and thats about it Nerf drake tanks..boost Vaga optimal
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon One of the ships I fly the most is a Vagabond, and theres a reason why I avoid all recons, all hacs, and all commandships like the plague. That reason is because all of them will kick my ass. Most of the people in this thread posting about overpowered vagas have never flown them. As Dromidas says, there is a **** load of ships that will bbq you in seconds. Part of the vagas reputation, is that it takes so long to be able to fly it properly ( a year at least ) that half the skills you learn are nothing to do with SP..but combat experience. A vaga pilot will have already killed 500 ships at least, he has ice in his veins (joke, but vets will know what I mean) In the hands of a decent pilot, yes it is nasty, however, if you were to ebay one with a bought character, you would die in seconds. The skill is in knowing what to fight, and when to run. It's possibly the most pilot intensive ship to fly. Take your eyes of the game for a sec, and you are not only dead, but 500mil out of pocket If you want a rush..fly it
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.11 01:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Plaetean It's exactly the same as all other ships in eve, it has strengths and weaknesses, it's good in certain roles and it's bad at others. It's good in the hands of certain pilots, and it's bad in the hands of others. Some people just fail at using ships the way they're meant to be used, and decide to cry nerf and cry overpowered instead of realising this. For one thing, the vagabond cannnot do dps at speed, a significant weakness for a nano ship. Stop crying people and just play the game. Hmm, I am going to have to quit this thread now, someone quoted and agreed with me. I feel dirty Vagas are fine, if they were really that good the price would not still be artificially high after years. It's supply and demand, take a look...they die often, and need to be replaced. Would be nice to see them back to 60mil Mates rates at NSN

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